entity formed in 1998 by Daniel Pharos
(“The Doommonger”) and Max Varnier (“Fucked
Up Mad Max”) has been preaching darkness
and misanthropy since the very year of
its formation. Unfortunetly Max decided
to end his life in 2001, after this
regrettable event the band was
apparently lost… but Daniel decided to
continue with the band releasing a
couple of splits before this brand new
full length entitled “Dooom”, an
absolute masterpiece of Funeral Doom
Metal of the highest calibre… So, after
receiving (from the hands of Daniel
himself) and hearing to this majestic
piece of misery, we arranged this
interview to know more about the present
and future Worship… here’re the results.
BB: First I would like to thank
you for giving us this interview; it’s
an honour to have you at BurningBlack…
Can you tell us what is Worship doing
The Doommonger: Answering interviews,
setting up some gigs for 2008. Soon we
will start rehearsing with a new live
BB: I was really surprised when I
knew this long anticipated brand new
album will be finally released, after
your split with Loss I even thought
Worship was forever gone… How you
decided came up with “Dooom”?
The Doommonger: The first years
without Max, it was too weird and
painful to continue, but I was kicked so
often by friends of Worship, that I
slowly realised how much I want to
continue the band. 2 years ago or so, I
started revamping the songs, even adding
new ones and replacing old rather weak
ideas. Now in a rather short period I
forced it all on tape so to speak. I
recorded two albums in about 3 months,
I’m still rather fatigued.
BB: Why this album took so long
to be released?
The Doommonger: I don’t know. I had
my active band Beyond The Void who
recorded 4 releases in that time. They
kept me pretty much busy. It took a
while for modern Worship to creep up on
me. Today, both bands are equally
important for me.
BB: According with the official
info this album was recorded in 2000 but
completed this current year… Can you
tell us about this process?
The Doommonger: I took what we had
recorded in 2000 and looked at the mess.
There were many gaps, some songs were
really unfinished or weak. I worked on
and off for 2 years on the stuff, then I
merged old recordings with new
recordings and then it was Dooom.
BB: Are you satisfied with the
The Doommonger: I am never completely
satisfied with anything I do. I am my
worst critic. In the end of the
production I lost footing and slipped
into the Worship hypnotic swamp,
recording 16 hours a day. I can’t
remember much, but when I regained
sanity it was done. Of course there are
mistakes, of course I would do things
different now but that’s nothing special.
In the end, I like it. It means a lot to
me. And that’s it.
BB: How has been the reception of
“Dooom” so far?
The Doommonger: On Doom-Metal.com
some people remarked that it is
suspicious how good the reviews are and
how much good feedback there is. That it
is a reason to hate the album unheard
because it is so praised. That it aims
for being commercial. That it’s tame
compared to the shocking first tape.
Well I can only say, I tried to make
the songs as good, intense, emotional,
as I can, I tried to please the
expectations how Worship should sound, I
tried to make a massive, sad funeral
sound. I tried to make a very
painstaking packaging no b/w copied crap.
I did not try to piss people off or to
try something shocking, totally
unexpected of Worship or trashy. I have
no interest in that. I don’t want to
hurt the fans with doing suddenly black
metal funk or doom reggae. I don’t care
for screaming provocative lyrics just to
shock somebody. I don’t have the urge to
do it so I don’t.
Is there a REAL adult band out there
that doesn't aim for a good record? "Hey,
let's do a really bad record!" <- is
that standard nowadays?
I am only interested in massive, sad
doom with good melodies. Some people
liked the “new twist” of Worship in
1998. I cannot be that “new” thing 10
years later. To be a “new twist” again,
I would have to change a lot although I
don’t want to, I feel good where we are.
That would also piss off the true fans.
Some people liked the obscure rare
xeroxed cult-shittyness. Well I never
liked bad packaging or cheapest
production, Max did, it would be very
fake and calculated to do them although
I hate them just to seem cult, rare,
obscure and underground. I love the
underground but that’s weird. Would be
like rich rockstars in dirty ragged 10
Dollar clothes. Faking slum to be cool.
I could now limit everything to 66
copies, make it sound and look shit, and
only sell it on Ebay for 200 Dollars.
But that would suck a lot and would be
lord of fake.
BB: How do you felt when re-started
the recording of all these material? I
guess it must be quite intense and
exciting to blend the past and present
of Worship in a single whole…
The Doommonger: It was rather sad, to
hear Max on tape and do it without him.
BB: I understand you and Max
shared the composition duties… Who was
the main responsible for the composition
and lyrics in “Dooom”?
The Doommonger: I have written all
Worship tracks so far. I have written
most lyrics on Dooom because the old
lyrics (which we had written together)
were lost with him, he wanted to type
them into the PC. As I cannot understand
all his growls, I needed to make
completely new lyrics to combine with
BB: I read somewhere that Max was
the main responsible for the most
aggressive and blackened side of your
music and you were behind the most
introspective and depressed atmospheres…
Is that correct? …If it is, how you
conjugated so accurately both,
apparently opposed, visions?
The Doommonger: That is true! Max was
wild, untamed, rebel, shocking. I was
several years older and was more into
sad, deep music. I wanted to depress
them, he wanted to shock and disgust. A
nice mixture which made us what we were.
BB: …And now, how has been
working with Satachrist these last years?
I understand you both are long time
friends… Besides of his notable guitar
contributions is he involved at the
composition process as well?
The Doommonger: I worked on the songs
alone very much, changing them quite
often. I wanted to have them solid
before showing them to him, quite late
in the day. We worked out his guitar
parts in studio.
BB: …By the way, what happened
with Kuolema? Was he ever a stable
The Doommonger: We met only once, he
is a studio owner and the guy behind
Unpure To Christ. I liked his work, he
liked mine, so we decided to record at
his place the 2 Eps, one of them still
coming up. He was Worship member but he
couldn’t play live anymore due to health
reasons, so he missed out on the 3 gigs
we had. Also, he was a 7 hours drive
away. I realised, if I have to go that
far all the time, Dooom will never be.
Too time consuming, too expensive. So we
had to part again.
BB: How do you think the absence
of Max have affected the actual sound of
The Doommonger: His main influence
was vocals. We wrote the lyrics together,
he provided some very bleak, partially
provoking words, and had a lot of anger
in his voice. With all due respect, the
music has not changed so much because
all songs were written by me before and
after, and I have not really changed in
what I like, only in what I can pull off.
I am getting really tired of this
comparison. Max never heard one song
before it was quite finished. I like him
very much and Worship would never be
without him, but where this “complete
uncomparable” difference comes from,
that some people see between old and new,
I have no idea. I find this annoying but
also amusing because I know how all
releases were done.
BB: As I wrote in my review, the
music of “Dooom” is only comparable with
Worship’s previous works… why do you
think is that? Where do you think all
this originality relays?
The Doommonger: Interesting that you
say that. Music comes to me by itself,
ideas swim through my head, I write
songs while walking around or doing
something else. That’s why I shut out
outside music as good as possible, or I
would have other people’s melodies in my
head. Hence, I am interested in and care
for the doom scene, but I do not listen
to other bands. When I crave music, I
must create it myself, that really has
results I like very much. I would like
to do nothing else all day.
BB: There’re some extremely
hateful atmospheres in your music,
rarely heard on a Doom Metal album… in
fact, those sounds to me pretty closer
to Black Metal… Considering you and Max
were also involved in a Black Metal act
called Kult, do you think this style has
or had any incidence, ideological,
musical or whatever, over the music of
The Doommonger: I would label Kult
grindcore, and it was just a project
that lived 1 day. I heard Black Metal in
the 90ies, and it has some unique
atmospheres that might creep into my
music. I don’t know, I try to dig inside
my flesh for ideas and emotions and
don’t really know where my ideas come
from. They pretty much have me under
control. If it feels right, if it moves
me, it will be done.
BB: What bands influenced you to
start playing Doom Metal?
The Doommonger: My first doom bands
were Solitude Aeturnus, Candlemass,
Count Raven, later old Anathema and old
My Dying Bride…
BB: What do you think the future
of Worship will be? …What about a future
The Doommonger: I am trying to
release my next album end of 2008! I am
really keen on Worship. I would like to
spread my music as far as possible.
It is my dream to work less and less
beside music. Maybe, if I can publish
good stuff with my bands in shorter
periods, plus do more soundtrack
composing and reach everyone out there
who would care for that stuff, I might
do it full-time one day. :) This has
nothing to do with sellout, it’s just
that I would like to focus on things
like Worship with full energy. I
wouldn’t make it more“commercial” or
such shit. If you do everything yourself,
band, recording, label, distribution,
you can cut out all those money leeches
that feed on bigger bands. That way, a
small band like Worship can already make
a small plus with an album without
ripping off anyone. But I have to work
day and night. If I continue in this
vein, and increase my fan base by solid
work, I have to work less beside my
bands, and can reinvest that time into
my bands = quicker releases, more time
to make them detailed and so on. Well
let’s see how far I can go on that road.
BB: Your previous discography is
really hard to find! Have you ever
considered the possibility of re-releasing
some of the old material?
The Doommonger: Last CD Before
Doomsday is available here
contains the first release and the 1st
EP. I have no interest to re-release the
other EPs, they were limited! The only
reason for re-releasing that EP #1 song
was that many copies of the EP were lost.
That is all material there is. Maybe a
greatest hits one day? ;)
BB: Thanks once more for your
time and congratulations for your great
work… these last lines are completely
The Doommonger: Thanks to all the
followers who make Worship what it is.
See you on tour (though I don’t know if
I will make it to your contintent)?
Thanks for an interesting talk!