As All Die in the side project of
Clint Listing of the symphonic Doom Metal band Long Winters Stare, this
band, formed as a solo project but lately joined by Aries, have released
several works, being “Victory” their last one and the first I have the
honour if listening. This band delivers Harsh Martial Industrial music, full
of anger and interesting historical references… I couldn’t get pass this
opportunity to ask them some questions concerning to their whole carrier…
here are the results.
BB: First of all, thanks for giving us this interview and
congratulations for your album “Victory”… Can you tell us about As All Die
Clint: As All Die was born out of my love for Dark industrial and
Martial music from labels like Cold Meat Industries, Cold Spring and Tesco.
I was in a metal band called Long Winters Stare from 1996-2000 and in 1997 I
wanted an outlet for my none metal expression and so As All Die was born.
BB: You’ve got a pretty extensive discography, but I must admit
“Victory” is my first experience with As All Die… Can you tell us about your
previous discography? What’s the main difference between your split Cd with
Veinke and “Victory”? How you music has evolved?
Clint: As All Die started as a more Gothic / Neoclassic vibe with
Neofolk elements. On the “In vacuum of blackened space“ & “Time of war and
conflict” CD, it was myself and my Long Winters Stare partner on synths,
contrabass and recording, but grew into Martial Industrial/Neo Folk with my
knowledge of my Odinist way and belief, and the addition of Aries. In
2003/2004 we became a much more focused project. I think “Time of war and
conflict" was the major turning point, as I found Germanic Beliefs and
history a very important part of my life.
Aries: These days there's much more of an industrial edge to our sound,
in addition to the neofolk elements. The change reflects my musical
background, but also our love for noise and experimental music. We like to
incorporate a variety of styles, and everything we do is an expression of
our personal tastes.
BB: How you define your music?
Clint: Heathen Martial Industial / Neofolk. Our releases strongly
differ from harsher industrial to straight neo folk. We love to use epic
bombastic sounds mixed with lush strings and clean guitars. The vocals can
range from Screams to Spoken words, to cleanly sung. You either like us or
hate us. There is no middle ground and we like it that way.
BB: Can you explain me how your music fits in the so called Neo Folk
music? I must admit I have never understood much this style…
Clint: If you listen to “Time of War and Conflict,” that is what
I would call Martial Neo Folk. We have a lot of Neo folk elements on a
batch of our releases like “East West Noise Pact”, North American
Underground Alliance” etc. “Victory” would be the harshest release in As All
Die history . We were in a dark place making this release. Having a lot of
label issues and couldn’t find a stable home. Those are behind us for a few
releases now, thanks to Flood the Earth.
Aries: The term Neofolk encompasses a wide range of sounds, from
traditional acoustic folk to keyboard-based ambience. The common thread for
most artists in the genre is a Eurocentric worlview and a rejection of
modern society's more shallow values. You find a real sense of connection
to the past as well. These elements are certainly found in our music,
wether we're using guitars or harsh electronics.
BB: Your music is an interesting, intriguing and original
experience, starting by the unusual name of the band… Can you tell us about
the origins of the band’s name?
Clint: The name came from a Long Winter's Stare song, “He is
Insane”. I wanted it to be a natural progression of my Metal stuff.
The lyric is “As we all die” . It fit the grim , warlike feelings that the
project brings across.
BB: I’m pretty used to listen to WWII concept based bands, but this
is the first time I listen to WWI concept based band… Why you take the
“forgotten war” (as someone accurately called) as source of inspiration?
Clint: WWII was a war of greed and insanity, and soiled the Germanic
people forever. As All Die is a platform for my Germanic/Odinistic/ Heathen
beliefs, which Aries has come to learn about and added his pagan and occult
beliefs. I focus on WWI as that was the last great thinking man's war before
missiles and jets and major technologies. We also have a lot of other
elements going on. I just never can or will support the Nazi beliefs.
Aries: I've always been fascinated by WWI. It was one of my favorite parts
of history. Although the second world war affected the world in a very
profound way, the first war planted the seeds for everything that came
after. Most of the weapons and technology that we take for granted today
were invented and developed during WWI.
BB: What’s your personal favourite episode of this war?
Clint: The item that shocks me most of this war is that the entire
world came to the brink over the murder of a Duke in the Austrian/ Hungerian
empire. Not a president or king or queen. In this day and age it looks like
the 3rd world war may start over 2 kidnapped Israelis. It's funny how
history repeats itself all the time.
Aries: It just goes to show that it only takes a small group of people
to influence the course of history. Usually it's a proactive force wanting
change, lashing out against an established, reactive power. You see the
same thing happening in the Middle East today. The group of men that
assassinated Franz Ferdinand were poor and in some cases dying of
tuberculosis. They had nothing to lose, and it's the people with nothing to
lose that are the catalyst for change. Just look at 9/11. 19 people caused
a fundamental shift in the way Americans live, and brought a huge amount of
attention to a part of the world that lives in oppression and poverty.
BB: Why you decide to include Aries in the band? How was your
experience as a solo-project?
Clint: Aries was a friend for years, and a fan of the same music as
myself. Der Blutharsch, Puissance, Throbbing Gristle, Coil, Death in June
etc. We also had a lot of other heathen bonding beliefs. So in 2003 I was
looking for a partner again, as I was stuck in a rut as a solo project. I
asked him and he was really into it, not to mention an As All Die fan. We
have done 4 releases now together and it gets better all the time. Glad to
have him as a friend and ally.
Aries: I'd been aware of Clint's work for quite a while. At
the time I had a solo project called Burn Unit, which was mainly ambient
electronica. It really wasn't going much of anywhere, then Clint asked me
to provide percussion and vocals for a live show. It went very well and the
rest is history. I'm very proud to work with such a talented artist.
Can you tell us about the composition process of “Victory”?
Clint: The main Victory track was written while I was still doing “When
Joy Becomes Sadness” with John Reindeau. He knew I wanted to bring As All
Die back after the success of the “Germanic Tales” 3” CD on the
Somnambulant Corpse label. Then Aries joined on and we started working on
what would be “Victory,” and ” North American Underground Alliance”. We
normally go out and have a few beers the night before, and talk about
lyrics and arrangements. Then the next day Aries and I get the rough music
tracks together, then we work on the words. Aries is a master lyricist, In
my opinion. Then the Grunt / Control tour came to Providence RI, and we
were asked to play. We did the full 24 minute track live in its full glory
and it went over very well . That’s how that track came to be. The others
are normally music 1st then we overlay the vocal track and mix it 'til we're
mad with lack of sleep. We don’t move very fast with As All Die, but its
important to us we're happy with
Aries: Performing "Victory" in Providence was my initiation into As All
Die. The lyrics were mainly improvised, then fleshed out for the studio
version. That was in March of 2004, so this track took two years to see the
light of day on CD...thus proving we're not the fastest band in the world.
As for the lyrical process, I have to say that Clint's musical work is a
huge inspiration. He creates incredibly deep and ominous tracks
which are great for firing the imagination.
BB: The opening track “Victory” is the most prominent song of the
whole album, not only because its duration, but this track seems to
delineate the entire style of the album… What can you tell us about this
Clint: I think I did this song in the question above. The theme of the
track was, we had an idea of a fanatical leader bent on world domination but
during his assault, he sees the error of his ways and the way it’s
destroying is wonderful Fatherland . It makes him insane and there is no way
to turn back so it becomes the war of all wars.
Aries: Many of our songs are not about the glory of war, but the horror.
Many people see the overt Germanic themes and think we're fascists or
whatever, but we know what happened to the fascists, don't we? "Victory" is
a tragedy in the theatrical sense.
BB: I specially liked “From Rocks to Arrows to Missiles”; it’s
my favourite track… Can you tell us about the concept behind each track? I’m
especially interested in the mentioned song and “Let Lying Dogs Sleep”
Clint: “From Rocks to Arrows to Missiles” is just what I think the
evolution of war sounds like, with some cool tweeking and effecting by Sir
Aries. As for “Let Lying Dogs Sleep,” my view of the track is that people
need to put the madmen away and let them disappear, as if you let them be
outspoken then this plague will never stop. We let the rambles of madmen
ring in this track as a plea to stop letting these maniacs voice their
Aries: "Dogs" is mostly my creation, as "Victory" is Clint's. It
started as another live performance piece. It was originally 15 minutes,
and one of our first harsh noise tracks. I suppose that's where my
industrial influence comes in. There was some upheaval going on in my life
when I wrote the lyrics, and it was basically me lashing out at people who
screwed me over. It's easy to see how it grew into a political statement,
given the massive amount of lies and deception being thrown around in this
country right now. It's a call for people to wake up and see through the
illusions. It's dedicated to the government, the oil companies, the
religious fundamentalists and anyone else who fits the profile.
BB: How are your live shows?
Clint: Our shows are the stuff of chaos and destruction, which
include Germanic flags, Fog machines, martial Items. Normally something
breaks and someone bleeds. We like to get into peoples' faces . We prefer to
not play on stages and play in the center of the room so the audience can in
circle us for more of the madness we like to create. Live we do more of the
harsh material with a few Neo Folk or Dark Ambient elements mixed in.
Aries: An AAD show is a cross between a political rally and a chaos
magick ritual. Nobody knows what's going to happen, least of all us. We've
had mosh pits, flying chairs, headaches from screaming at people. With
every gig we push to constantly get more out of ourselves and the audience.
BB: What do you think about the renewed interest in history,
specially the renewed interest in war by Metal bands?
Clint: Metal bands have always had this belief. Look at bands like
Black Sabbath, Bolt Thrower, Sodom, Marduk, Jungle Rot etc. Some do it well
and others just want to wear camo and look tough. War and history themes
work well with Death, Black and Fantasy metal. It has the right aggression
Aries: If there is more interest in history than before, I think it's
because people are seeing the confusion and chaos in the world today and
trying to make sense of it, find some kind of context. We live in very
uncertain times. The past is a source of guidance and in some cases comfort.
BB: You don’t seem to be much interest in modern wars… Why is that?
Clint: Modern war to me is no longer war in the planning and strategic ways
of the old wars, where if each soldier, cannon and horseman was not in the
correct spot a battle could be lost. Jets with laser guided bombs and tanks
that can take out cities 5 miles away don’t hold the same majesty to me.
Aries: I do take interest in modern war, mostly because of my interest
in politics and society. I'm a fan of entropy. When a system breaks down,
something new must come out of it. Right now the world is in desperate need
of change. Conflict is a catalyst for change, which makes war a neccessary
BB: What’s your opinion about the National Socialist Black Metal?
Some of these bands have taken the interest in history to “risky” extremes…
Clint: National Socialism and Nazi beliefs are very different. A lot of
people think As All Die are fascist because of what we talk about and
believe. I feel that the NSBM beliefs are just, as long as it doesn’t get
mixed into White power. I feel the government or powers that be needs more
control, as the majority of the population has no clue and would rather sit
on their ass and collect government money and be sheep to whatever their
friends tell them. No one reads anymore, no one tries to learn about the
past or their political systems. They would rather watch sitcoms than the
History Channel or learn for themselves. This view always gets me into
trouble with the liberal minded but I’m strongly conservative and will never
change this view.
Aries: I was never a big metal fan, so there's not much I can say on that
point. However, I do agree that society is in a very pathetic state right
now. There is no intellectual curiosity anymore. Most people go to work,
come home, watch TV and go to bed. That's their entire life! They learn
nothing, create nothing and contribute nothing. I rarely have an
intelligent conversation with my coworkers because 90% of them talk about
nothing but sports. It's very depressing. As for the government needing
more control, I think they have way too much already. People simply need to
be less ignorant. They elected the worst president in American history, so
they deserve what they get. I have no sympathy for most of them. As I said
before, revolutions start with small groups, not the masses. That's why I
do sympathize with groups like the Palestinian Liberation Organization and
even Hezbollah to some extent. Their methods are not always sound, but they
struggling for survival in their own homeland, against a force that has no
business being there.
Do you have, as a band, some special ideology or belief? Some pictures at
your site, especially Aries pictures seem to be quite inclined toward the
Clint: This Neo Nazi
bullshit must stop. We have nothing to do with this front. We like to dress
proper and in a heathen fashion that is all. I will not talk about this Neo
Nazi bullshit anymore. We are Heathens nothing more, with strong political
views I’m the Conservative and Aries is very Liberal believe it or not.
Aries: We hold
absolutely no racist or Nazi beliefs. It's funny that you say I look like a
neo-Nazi. Like Clint says, I'm clearly the left wing faction of As All Die.
My choice of clothing reflected the meticulous approach we took to our
music, and I happen to like the color black. Now that we incorporate more
industrial and noise elements I tend to wear mostly colored camo onstage.
But seriously though, I judge people based on their intelligence, character
and beliefs. Skin color and nationality are superficial.
BB: What your
connection with the European (especially German) Pagan culture? Symbols like
Thor’s Hammer seem to have an especial meaning to you…
Clint: I’m German
and Italian, and an Odinist (Thor's hammer is my cross). I believe in the
old Germanic ways and Old European life before the damn Christians killed
all the heathens in their holy wars, and stole all their holidays from us.
Do I sound bitter? Well I am.
Aries: I'm mostly Italian, and a devout
atheist since age 6. My ancestors threw Christians to the lions, then
somehow Rome ended up becoming the seat of Catholicism! It's shameful. All
through the ancient world you see proud Pagans forced at swordpoint to
accept a religion of weakness and submission. It's not just Europeans,
either. Africans had their beliefs until they were enslaved and also forced
into Christianity. Just for the record though, we may focus on the scam of
Christianity but other religions are just as bad. Take Islam for instance.
The very meaning of the word is "submission." It's even more about
weakness and superstition than Christianity. I believe in the powers of
nature and will. The practice of ritual magick has done more for me than
any fairy tale god in the sky.
BB: Can you tell us about your forthcoming
releases “For Honor of Wodan” and “Failure of Human Spirit”? What can we
expect from those works?
Clint: “For Honor of Wodan” is 4 CD collaboration with 3 other bands.
The 3 As All Die tracks are Dark Ambient and Spoken word, martial music.
Its out now and the Chinese (Z-Bugle) label did an amazing job. “Failure of
Human Spirit” is our new Dark Industrial/ Neo Folk epic. If you liked “ In
Time of War & Conflict” this will be your new favourite. There is a lot of
Strings, Sung and Spoken Vocals , Guitars and Simple Percussion. That should
be out this late Fall or early Winter on Flood the Earth.
Aries: The work we've done on these releases is some of our best yet.
We're very proud of them and look forward to getting them out to the world.
BB: Thanks once more for your time and words… These last lines are
Clint: Thank you for the interesting Interview.Remember your Heathen
ways and check out our website for all new info
Aries: Thanks to everyone who has supported us. Decide
fate before someone else does.